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Christopher McIntyre can anyone recommend reading on the topic of generative formal concepts in art making?

April 30 at 12:27pm
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Christopher McIntyre
Christopher McIntyre
"art" meaning all the arts, not just visual
April 30 at 12:28pm
Miguel Frasconi
Miguel Frasconi
I've been staring at those three words for a few minutes now, and I can't for the life of me understand what it means. Do you mean self-generating algorithms? Or perhaps ideas that hand out tuxedos?
Other than that, the only free-associative thought that comes to me is Tenney's Meta-Meta Hodos. Does that help?
April 30 at 1:33pm
Christopher McIntyre
Christopher McIntyre
self-generative algorithms included, yes. i want to research existing ideas about emulating biological/geological operations to generate form in real-time or otherwise. difficult to know what to call exactly. seems like the first place to start!
April 30 at 1:46p
David Watson
David Watson
thanks , Miguel. I thought it was me.
https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~blackrse/algorithm.html

I understand this article : that might be a bad sign.
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But then also, say, Ono's (I think ) : "Draw a Line, and follow it".
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April 30 at 2:06pm
Miguel Frasconi
Miguel Frasconi
Aaah! I get it. Fascinating! The effect of time on structure. Art that grows and ages gracefully as part of it's own internal structure. (Perhaps watching Arav is inspiring these thoughts!) Very cool. Maybe reading about HMSL would help. Good luck!
April 30 at 2:13p
Miguel Frasconi
Miguel Frasconi
Great article David! Ah yes, "Draw a straight line and follow it." Perhaps the first algorithmic composition. (good ol' LaMonte, actually.)
April 30 at 2:17pm
Christopher McIntyre
Christopher McIntyre
Thanks David and Miguel! Meta-Meta confused me the first time I scratched the surface, but so did Meta. Time to try again! The Stanford thing looks amazing D!
April 30 at 2:17pm
Miguel Frasconi
Miguel Frasconi
Ya know, I've been thinking a starting a Meta-Hodos study group. Because, yes, it confuses me too. Having Tenney explain it to me helped a little, but not much! I think it would help having multiple brains reading it together would help to unlock it. HMSL was Polansky and other's way of incorporating Jim's ideas into software.
April 30 at 2:24pm
Rama Gottfried
Rama Gottfried
there's a lot of generative visual stuff going on with processing might be a good resource also: http://processing.org/
April 30 at 2:48pm
Christopher McIntyre
Christopher McIntyre
Nice one Rama!
April 30 at 3:56pm
Christopher McIntyre
Christopher McIntyre
I'm down for a Meta-Hodos reading club. Anthony Coleman and I had talked about reading it together at one point as well. One of those books. I've read it all the way through twice. By the end of 2nd time I was feeling more secure about what it's saying. Now, how to process things in real-life that way as both a listener and composer...
April 30 at 3:58pm
Zeena Parkins
Zeena Parkins
I am going to read this now!! here in my residency at Oxford Univ. perfect!
Sat at 5:39am
Annie Gosfield
Annie Gosfield
Wow, you're at Oxford, Zeena? How great!
Sun at 5:34pm
David Linton
David Linton
i would also join a hodos club
Sun at 11:47pm
Zeena Parkins
Zeena Parkins
a hodos club?... moi aussi!!
Yesterday at 4:31am
Frances-Marie Uitti
Frances-Marie Uitti
what about the cellular automata of Stephen Wolfram. Not the silly wolframtunes, but the generated patterns and chaos that results from rules of cells. I find the whole thing quite interesting!
Yesterday at 6:24am
Christopher McIntyre
Christopher McIntyre
Thanks FMU! I've been hovering around the idea of modeling cellular activity for a while so digging in to Wolfram's stuff should help push that forward.
Yesterday at 10:17pm
Christopher McIntyre
Christopher McIntyre
A Tenney Club, eh? I think this could be a really important thing. Maybe Polansky would be able to join up periodically. I'll send out a note to those who mentioned interest here and to a few other potentials.
Crystal structure
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In mineralogy and crystallography, crystal structure is a unique arrangement of atoms or molecules in a crystalline liquid or solid. A crystal structure is composed of a pattern, a set of atoms arranged in a particular way, and a lattice exhibiting long-range order and symmetry. Patterns are located upon the points of a lattice, which is an array of points repeating periodically in three dimensions. The points can be thought of as forming identical tiny boxes, called unit cells, that fill the space of the lattice. The lengths of the edges of a unit cell and the angles between them are called the lattice parameters. The symmetry properties of the crystal are embodied in its space group.
 
SEM micrograph of surface of a colloidal crystal. Structure and morphology consists of ordered crystallites, grains or domains of particles as well as interdomain lattice defects in the form of grain boundaries.

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Recorded during CJM and AS's 3-week honeymoon in Cambodia, Jan.2007, using the Edirol R-09 with a mixture of internal mic and an AT822.



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PP = Phnom Penh
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AW = Angkor Wat (temple)
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KS = Kbal Spean (carved river-bed)
mndlkiri = Mondulkiri region
kep = city of Kep


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SiteNonsite
1. Open LimitsClosed Limits
2. A Series of PointsAn Array of Matter
3. Outer CoordinatesInner Coordinates
4. SubtractionAddition
5. Indeterminate CertaintyDeterminate Uncertainty
6. Scattered InformationContained Information
7. ReflectionMirror
8. EdgeCenter
9. Some Place (physical)No Place (abstract)
10. ManyOne

Footnote 1 from Robert Smithon's essay The Spiral Jetty (1972).

Originally published in Arts of the Environment, Gyorgy Kepes, ed. pp.222-232
Reprinted in Robert Smithson: The Collected Writings, Jack Flam, ed. pp.143-153

This recording is from an impromptu performance by a Hindustani flute player along the red rock cliff in Varkala, Kerala, India, January 2005. I no longer know the musician's name, but he hand made his own flutes, one of which I bought. Unfortunately it was badly damaged in transit. This recording popped up during an iTunes shuffle. A Proustian delight, South Indian style...


 

Features soundtrack by CJM. Here's an excerpt:




 

From UBU, a bootleg film document from 1972 of Robert Smithson lecturing at Univ. of Utah on photographs he shot at his hotel in Palenque, Mexico in 1969.

PDF of the complete transcript and slides from the lecture.

The Ballroom at Hotel Palenque